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June 21, 2008

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Nick

Happy Solstice, MB

Stef

Oh, this is one of those deep and meaningful conversations about reality that I have with my best friend, usually over a couple of pots of tea (since I don't drink).

Over the months, the only thing we have agreed on is that reality is subjective. Any attempt to objectify a subjective reality is doomed to failure (which is why Kant doesn't work for me). Just because you cannot see my reality doesn't make my reality any less real - it's the Memorex phenomenon if you remember the advert - is it real or is it Memorex?

This then tends to lead on to the nature of hallucinations, altered states of consciousness and when am I going to get round to reading Graham Hancock's Supernatural? You can probably imagine how the conversation goes from there....

Although the bit about the hallucinating spiders is entertaining enough if you're only watching my reactions!

jonathan black

I don't remember that ad, Steph. Can you remind me?

Supernatural is brilliant book. The conclusion it comes to - as a result of the author's own investigations into altered states - is that this imaginative reality is really real. A key point is that when different people go into these states, they seem to visit the same place!

I agree with your caution about objective reality. The point here is that many of the same criteria we use to try to convince oursleves that our everyday world is 'real' can also be applied to the imaginative realm. That's one of the exciting discoveries of esoteric philosophy.

Stef

Would be happy to, JB.

It's an old ad - late 1980s, early 1990s - for cassette tapes. It begins with Pete Murphy of Bauhaus (an 80s goth band of whom I was much enamoured at the time) sitting in a leather armchair, allegedly listening to the opening bars of Mussorgsky's Night on Bare Mountain on his stereo. However, as the piece gets into its stride, the walls of his sitting room fade out and he is finally seen sitting in his leather chair being blasted by the wind on a mountainside.

The tagline was "Is it real, or is it Memorex?" and it has stuck with me for years. It's very reminiscent of the parts of the Matrix movie (another one that I love) where Neo is having the structure of the Matrix explained to him by Morpheus. But I could go on about that for ever.

NB - If you have a spare 10 minutes, read The End of Mr Y by Scarlett Thomas - contains an intriguing discussion on the nature of reality, language and what makes a god. Well, I'm enjoying it.

Edward Wyatt

I had once been very interested in conspiracy theries like jfk and 9/11. Me and my friends would sometimes watch videos on utube about mad governent cover ups and Freemasons. I'm only 21 but I know my fair share of British and World history, and although many interesting things can be pondered on ultimatly it's all been put together by someone who has a very negative attitude towards the world. And the minds that are making this free thinking world a place where someone of my age can pick up a book by a friends dad in the local waterstones, and discover the things I have. I had been introduced to this way of 'inside out thinking' by my friends dad at about 13. He showed me how to meditate and always provoked different ways of thinking about everything. Though he was my first teacher he wasn't the most grounded man and after smoking too much cannabis he got sectioned for the second time in the last 6years. But I continued with my meditation and research. Speaking to my friends one night about related topics and my friend Tabby mentioned your book. I bought the book when it came out and have since read it 3 times and use it very often for reference. I want to say thank you for writing this book. It has inspired me in ways I cannot discribe. Ed

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