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July 29, 2008

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Michael Allen

My impression is that Max Heindel merely attended lectures by Steiner, rather than being initiated by him, but how can we be certain about anything, especially in this field? Here is an extract from lecture 5 of 'The Fifth Gospel' in which Steiner says,

'A man from America learned our teaching over a period of many months, wrote it down, brought it to America in a watered down version and then published a Rosicrucian Theosophy, which he copied from us. [The reference is to Max Heindel – ed.]He says that he learned a lot from us, but that he was then called by the masters and learned more from them. He was silent about the fact that he took the more profound things from my unpublished lecture cycles.'
I am reading the unpublished (in English at least) 'Crisis of Civilisation' by Gennady Bondarev at the moment, about an Anthroposophical view of the secret societies in world history and it will be interesting to see if the author says anything about Tomberg there. I have read some of Sergei Prokofieff's writings on the Tomberg case and they are pretty damning, with the Jesuit influence figuring strongly. Prokofieff thinks that Tomberg was put into a kind of occult imprisonment by the Jesuits. It would be interesting to know what Lorna says about the Jesuits etc., or have you not discussed the darker secret societies yet?

jonathan black

That's very interesting. I think there are some things in Heindels' rather wonderful book, The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception that I haven't read in Steiner, but of course I haven't read everything... has anyone?

I'd like to know what Bondarev's book says? I haven't come across it.

The notion of 'occult imprisonment' is intriguing. I seem to remember that it's been mooted that Madame B was also occultly put in prison. Do you take it to mean that freedom of thought is restricted?

No, I haven't tried to talk to Lorna about the darker secret societies. She doesn't like talking about the dark side, as she think it risks letting dark forces in.

Michael Allen

No, I think it is much more extreme than this. A psychic friend of mine who I was out for a walk with this morning, has read of something called a 'binding spell' in his extensive reading of occult and magical literature (but not Steiner, I'm sorry to say). In this, by means of ceremonial magic, the victim's will is thwarted, his mind dimmed and his forces channelled off to wherever the magician desires. Sounds like an 'occult imprisonment of sorts to me!
As regards the occult imprisonment that Blavatsky is meant to have suffered, here is some info. from Steiner and George Harrison(the occultist!)via the internet site

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/madam-blavatskys-occult-imprisonment-7222.html :

Yes she was a victim. It was suggested to me that Pascal Beverly Randolph was involved. The H. B.of L. are certainly candidates, considering how she attacked them later......The reason for the imprisonment was that she was deemed a loose cannon in releasing too much of the secret teachings. Remember the Brahmins were also concerned that she was revealing too much....

Quote:
"Think of it in this way. - The occult knowledge was in her aura; as the result of certain processes that were set in operation, it came about that for a long time everything in this aura was thrown back into her soul. That is to say, all the occult knowledge she possessed was to be imprisoned; she was to be isolated as far as the outer world and her occultism were concerned."
R. Steiner, 'The Occult Movement in the 19th Century'.

Quote:
"There is a certain operation of ceremonial magic by means of which a wall of psychic influences may be built up around an individual who has become dangerous, which has the effect of paralyzing the higher activities and producing what is called the 'repercussion of effort', and the result is a kind of spiritual sleep characterized by fantastic visions. It is an operation seldom resorted to even by Brothers of the Left, and in the case of Madam Blavatsky was disapproved of by almost all European occultists."
'The Transcendental Universe', Harrison.

Quote:
"The reappearance of Madam Blavatsky has necessitated a total change of the policy of secrecy hitherto pursued. Whether for good or evil, she has made public an immense mass of information in regard to matters which, until quite recently, were never spoken of outside certain societies, but which is of a character as to commend itself on its own merits to persons from whatever source it may come."

Harrison, ibid


No, you probably haven't heard of the Bondarev book because it is only published in German and Russian. He is a Russian who lives in Basel. I've been told, I think by Nelson Willby of the Wellspring Bookshop, that his ideas are a bit too contentious for the Anthroposophical establishment, which has resulted in his being thown out of the Society and the book not being published in English. You can only get a photocopied proofreaders copy via Nelson at the above bookshop. (Rather expensive- £33). I'll let you know how I find it.
I don't dare suggest that I send it down to you after I've read it, as I know how complex and overfull of people and books your life is already!

Stef

I was always taught (never mind by whom) that binding spells were only ever done as a means of last resort, when there really is NO OTHER OPTION. I know how to do them, but maintain that it is my wish that I never have to use carry it out. A bit like all those self defence classes I go on.

Mark, got your message, but have had to reply directly as there was an important piece of information missing... :-)

Forced myself not to buy anything in Watkins today. I do love that shop, but it has the potential to be Oh so expensive...

jonathan black

Well of course I've never tried a binding spell or to imprison anyone occultly. As i think i said on this site some time ago, it must be the case that you can only harm somoe else in this way at immense cost to yourself.

Thanks very much for all that very valuable information, Michael. I've read both Harrison's book and Steiner's response but had forgotten some of those details.

I've also read or been told that Harrison was an anglo-catholic, which is intriguing. I know Cardinal Newman was deeply immersed in angel lore.

Do you know anything about Harrison?

Also, if I've read that the Brahmins were concerned, I've forgotten that too.

And i'd be very grateful if I could borrow Bondarev's book.

Is the Wellspring book shop the one in New Oxford St, run by the nice German guy? I used to go there in my lunch hour sometimes, but gave up after several occasions when it turned out to be closed.

Wakins IS a great bookshop, too, Stef, though it seems to have reduced its second hand section, which is a shame. I also worry that like many bookshops around the country it's struggling with higher rates imposed by local councils.

Robert Temple told me recently that the original Watkins was one of the 3 scholars Blavatsky used to compile The Secret Doctrine for her! (Or was it Isis Unveiled?)

Michael Allen

Yes, the Wellspring Bookshop is on New Oxford Street and run by an Englishman called Nelson Wilby. I've never been there myself. Even when I lived in Forest Row and area I hardly ever went up to London.
Yes of course I will post you the Bondarev book 'Crisis of Civilisation as soon as I've finished it, probably in 3 weeks or so. Here is a link to a few extracts from it I found on the internet:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/1105/BondarevExcerpts.htm

Frank Roberts

A couple of points on Tomberg, author of MEDIATIONS ON THE TAROT.
First Tomberg`s final work - LAZARUS COME FORTH - contains a very warm appreciation of Steiner. This particular book is not as well known as TAROT but from a Catholic perspective (mine) is probably superior.
Second the introduction to the German edition of Tomberg`s TAROT is by CARDINAL Hans Urs von Balthasar. Von Balthasar was a personal friend of the late John Paul II and devoted much of his life to spreading the teaching of his friend, the Swiss visionary and doctor, Adrienne von Speyr, who was in some ways von Balthasar`s "Soror mystica". Von Speyr`s works - little known in UK though all now translated - rank with the very greatest ever to emerge fom the Catholic mystical tradition.
So here we have a link between Tomberg, another visionary mystic von Speyr, a Cardinal and the late Pope.
Finally von Balthasar`s works were translated into English by a team headed by Rowan Williams, current Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury.

Frank Roberts

A couple of points on Tomberg, author of MEDIATIONS ON THE TAROT.
First Tomberg`s final work - LAZARUS COME FORTH - contains a very warm appreciation of Steiner. This particular book is not as well known as TAROT but from a Catholic perspective (mine) is probably superior.
Second the introduction to the German edition of Tomberg`s TAROT is by CARDINAL Hans Urs von Balthasar. Von Balthasar was a personal friend of the late John Paul II and devoted much of his life to spreading the teaching of his friend, the Swiss visionary and doctor, Adrienne von Speyr, who was in some ways von Balthasar`s "Soror mystica". Von Speyr`s works - little known in UK though all now translated - rank with the very greatest ever to emerge fom the Catholic mystical tradition.
So here we have a link between Tomberg, another visionary mystic von Speyr, a Cardinal and the late Pope.
Finally von Balthasar`s works were translated into English by a team headed by Rowan Williams, current Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury.

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